Get Out Of The Shadows And Unbecoming with Phoebe Mroczek [Podcast 215]

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GTF 215 | Unbecoming


Do you feel blocked from living a more meaningful, purposeful life?

My guest on this episode is Phoebe Mroczek.  Phoebe has built an online marketing business and community around the concept of  “unbecoming”. In this episode, you’ll get direct insights on dealing with identity crisis, pivoting, becoming a person of value, and being your best self to live a meaningful life.

Phoebe Mroczek is the host of The Unbecoming Podcast, a show that helps entrepreneurs eliminate and release judgment, and a business coach for women entrepreneurs seeking to create an impact, and take their business to the next level.

Be ready to be inspired to action right now.

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Get Out Of The Shadows And Unbecoming with Phoebe Mroczek [Podcast 215]

Our guest expert is uniquely qualified. She’s a coach, podcaster and a marketing strategist who helps business owners. She helps heart-centered entrepreneurs create a profitable business that’s a reflection of who they are and what you want most. What do you want more of? Think of that for a second because through the course of our interview, you’re going to get some insights you’ve never heard before. She’s the host of The Unbecoming Podcast, a show that helps entrepreneurs completely eliminate and release judgment. How valuable would that be to you? Have you ever been stuck with judgment either about yourself or others? What would it be worth if you could release that and to be able to release permanent false beliefs and past conditioning that may be holding you back from living a more meaningful and purposeful life? She has built a community of over 900,000 people who’ve downloaded her shows and various programs, resources, tools, participated in her community masterminds, and a whole lot more. Phoebe believes that what we do in the world is important, but we’re meant to do much more in life than just work. Phoebe, welcome to the show. How are you?

Thank you so much. I’m excited.

We have two people to be able to thank. Number one, we have to thank Steve Olsher of New Media Summit, which is how we initially got a chance to connect. Our good friend, Dr. Jeremy Weisz, who made it a point to make sure we met each other at the New Media Summit as well. Two shout-outs for you guys. If you don’t know Steve, go check out New Media Summit. I’ve interviewed Jeremy a couple times. Phoebe, I want to dive into it. You had what seems this amazing success. You were brought up in a great family. You played Division I soccer at a high level. You have built this business that’s having an amazing impact. You have this concept of unbecoming, The Unbecoming Podcast and then you talk about unbecoming. Why are you doing what you’re doing now?

I am doing what I’m doing to help people accept who they are and build things that are a reflection of who they are. This has been me for a long segment of my life has been carrying so much what everybody else thinks and having my life be dictated by what I thought everybody expected of me. One day, it became apparent to me that I was doing everything in my life to basically please my parents, to please everyone else and I never asked myself, “What do I want? Who am I? What is important to me? What are my values? How do I want to live my life?” When I asked myself those questions, I was surprised that it wasn’t anything I had lived before until that point. I am doing this for the person that feels almost trapped in their reality, in their current life, in their business. People that feel stuck, people that feel they’re meant for something more but don’t quite know what that is. I want to help release people from all of that judgment, expectations, conditioning, and all the things that aren’t important in their lives and help people live while they’re alive. I’m an advocate for truly fully living.

Do what you want and do it now because you're never promised tomorrow. - Phoebe Mroczek Click To Tweet

Can you remember back to when you made this pivot in your business and get a chance to know you a little bit in our conversations plus the research that I do? It seems that you had one path of business you were going down and had great success on it on the surface. Maybe there was something missing. I’ll let you fill in the gaps. What was that? What led to this realization of going, “I need to do something different?”

I have to say there have been two turning points. One was in my life and then one was in my business. Both are important up to acknowledge. The first one was I had built this life. I set out from the time I even knew what college was, probably when I was eight or nine, to be a Division I college soccer player. That was my life dream. I was practicing after school. I was a high performing athlete. That is what I dedicated my life to and then I got there. It was at that moment that I had achieved all the things that I wanted to achieve. In an instant, my life changed. My dad passed away suddenly and it was heart-wrenching. It was also this moment where I remember clearly I felt my life shattered. Everything that I thought was one way was completely opposite. The life that I knew going forward was not going to look the way that I thought it was going to. That moment for me was like, “Now, I reevaluate everything.” Life is fragile. I knew at that moment. It was apparent to me that there were a lot of things that I know that my dad wanted to do in his life and he would never get to have those moments.

I said to myself, “Do what you want and do it now because you’re never promised tomorrow.” That led me on a number of different adventures and wild and crazy things and traveling all over the place and doing what I wanted. We can fast forward to this point where I was co-hosting a podcast and things are going well. We had almost a million downloads and I realized it was not in alignment with who I was. There were many other things that I wanted to share, but I was a little bit afraid because I didn’t know. Did I have anything to share? Was it of value? Did anybody care? I had been hiding under this security blanket of what I knew to be true, which was that I was good as a sidekick. I had been building this business in the background that I was a little embarrassed to tell everybody about, but I had been successful in this one area.

Finally I decided, “It’s time for me to step out from the shadows and put myself first and put myself forward for all the things to build the life that I wanted.” That was almost a couple of years ago. That pivot has been such a meaningful, freeing experience because it was scary at first to push through that. There were many signs. I always say we get to decide what the signs mean. If the sign pops up and I’m like, “iTunes took a little longer to approve my podcast. Maybe that’s a sign I’m not supposed to do it. Maybe that’s a sign that sometimes it gets a little uncomfortable and I have to push through it a little bit.” Those were the two main turning points, one in my business and one in my life.

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Step out from the shadows. Put yourself first and put yourself forward to build the life that you wanted.


There are a couple of things that pop up. There’s the idea of hiding out. There’s this concept that people struggle with at times of the imposter syndrome, of being our genuine, authentic self. I’m curious when you this pivot, this shift with your dad and you were the soccer player. That’s who you were and your state of being, state of whom you were. When you shifted out of being this world-class athlete, what was that like? Was it tough to make the transition? Did you run into an identity crisis? Did you run into like, “Who am I?” What battles did you have making that pivot?

I feel like my answer wants to be D, all of the above because it was a tough time. My identity was shaken. I was all of a sudden, the girl with the dead dad and people were feeling sorry for me, but I was still an athlete. This is what I had worked my whole life for. Outside of those two things, who was I? That digging process, I ended up quitting soccer halfway through college, which was a great decision because I needed to find out who I was and what I wanted to do. I jumped from identity to identity and I can see it. At the time, I wanted to explore but I immediately went from Phoebe the athlete to Phoebe the entrepreneur.

I started a Mary Kay business and then I went straight from that to Phoebe the adventurer. That was the explorer, the traveler. I didn’t understand how any of them fit together. It was this constant, “I’m this one thing and then I’m this one thing and I’m this one thing.” I would jump from box to box, label to label without understanding that it was completely making up who I was which is a cool process and cool for me to look back and all the puzzle pieces fit together. It makes a lot of sense or a lot more sense, but at the time I remember feeling like, “Soccer isn’t as meaningful and fulfilling as I thought it would be when I got to this level,” and then it became this, “Now, I’m an entrepreneur. I love it but it’s not allowing me to go overseas, which is also what I want to do. I want to live overseas and I want to travel and have all these awesome experiences. I can’t be that if I’m this.” I jump ship and then step into this box. It was a decade of, “I’m not this, now I’m this. I’m not this anymore, now I’m this.” It was exciting. It was also challenging. I feel I’ve gotten to a place where I’m like, “Now, I’m all the things,” and it’s exciting.

Speaking of exciting and speaking of all the things, as you’re reading right now, have you been at a place where you’ve ever felt like you were struggling with your identity or figuring out like, “What do you want? Who are you?” On one end, you feel certain and comfortable and confident in this area, but there’s something pulling you this other way and you go back or you jump ship and it’s an either or. What if it could be an and? What if you could have your cake and eat it too? Your story is fascinating, Phoebe. There are many directions that I want to go to. Let’s fast forward to a couple of years. You moved from hiding out to sharing your story and dealing with that. What was the toughest thing for you moving from out of the shadow or hiding out to coming front and center and you being a person of value and in many ways iconic?

You are important. Realize that you are somebody who can add a substantial amount of value to people. - Phoebe Mroczek Click To Tweet

I would say the hardest thing for me was accepting that, that my story had merit. I have a reminder on my phone every morning that pops up that says, “You are important.” This feeling that all of us have that we’re not enough or we’re missing something. If I had these crazy rags to riches story or it was this almost desperation that I wanted to have that story. I realized I have to let that go because that’s not my story. I’ve never had $2 in my bank account and like, “That’s okay, some people have and they have that story. It’s not mine.” It’s coming to terms with how my story could impact people. That my desire to be of service and to genuinely help people create not just a better business but a better life was what I needed to put my stake in the ground and be like, “This is what I’m up for and this is how I can help people.”

Before that, I was so in my head with, “What do people want from me? What can I do that will look good? How can I appear to be to have it all together?” The moment I stepped outside of that and embraced the shadows and embraced myself, it’s more of like, “I am somebody who can add a substantial amount of value to people.” When I appreciated that and saw that in myself and got outside of my head and realized this has nothing to do with me, it has everything to do with them. I could step up and step into the person. It’s the unbecoming process, but it was that for me. It was like shedding a layer of armor so that I could figure out who I was and what I wanted to do and how I was going to create a more meaningful life.

There are a few things that seem to be popping up. I hear a little bit of comparison, you’re comparing your story to someone else’s story. It doesn’t fit this mold of rags to riches, so there’s a comparison there. If you could backtrack a couple of years as you’ve gone through this metamorphosis. What would you do differently to tune in quicker, if there is such a thing? That your story truly has merit and own it then instead of what sounds like a little bit of this turmoil battle back and forth or so on. Do you think that that’s part of the journey to learn of being your best self to have the meaningful life you’re describing?

It’s the latter part of that. There’s no part that I feel or there’s no part of me that feels I wish it had happened sooner. Everything has been building up to this moment, to right now. If I hadn’t been through that turmoil and the feelings of not being good enough and not feeling important or significant or anything like that, I wouldn’t know what that felt like. I wouldn’t want something different. It’s that contrast when it’s created. Now I know, “I don’t like that.” It’s like dating, “I don’t want that. That does not tick the boxes, but I want this over here.” That has shown me the way.

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Always look at your calendar and your bank statement. You can tell everything from those two things.


I have struggled with that a lot. Being one of a lot of kids and I’m always comparing myself and being an athlete. It’s very outcome-based. If I’m not winning, then I’m losing. If I’m not the best, I’m the worst. In that process, I don’t think there is a way to speed it up. The most powerful for me has been the awareness around it and to figure out what it is that I want and asking myself the important questions which are, “What do I want and who am I?” Once I’ve gotten those two pieces down and I don’t have it all figured out, but what I do know is I’m much clearer now than I ever have been in my life. I feel so much more confident. I’ve gotten to a place where I can see it when it pops up. I’m like, “That sucks. Let’s not go down that road again because I’ve been there and it’s not fun.” Now, I want to shift my focus over here and here’s how I know to be doing that.

What advice would you give yourself a couple of years ago if you were going to give yourself that advice?

The first thing would be cut myself some slack. We put so much pressure on ourselves to have it all figured out. I wish the Phoebe of a couple of years ago, several years ago would have taken a step back for a minute, taken a deep breath, and be like, “We’ve got this. It’s okay.” From that place of real safety and acknowledgment and a deep connection with yourself, only then would I be able to say it to the Phoebe of a couple of years ago like, “Everything’s going to be great. Show up as you. What does that look like? What do you want to create in the world? How do you want to be remembered?” That’s been a question I’ve been asking a lot is how do I want to be remembered and who do I want to be remembered by? Ask myself the big tough questions and spend a lot more time in silence. I love to talk and I’m good at it. Listening and in silence and then it’s not all about consumption. It’s more about creating for me and knowing my personality and knowing what lights me up and what my values, who I am and what I stand for.

What advice would you give to somebody that would want to tune in with what those things are? Values, who you are and those things?

Cut yourself some slack. We put so much pressure on ourselves to have it all figured out. - Phoebe Mroczek Click To Tweet

First of all, I would always look at your calendar and your bank statement. Those two things you can tell everything from. That tells you what you value. If you look at those two things and you don’t like them, then how are you going to make a change? I’ve always been somebody who has been a goal setter. I shoot for the moon and all these things. I use that as another stick to beat myself up when I’m not the best of the best in every area of my life. Rather than setting goals, my focus has been setting the habits in order to achieve those goals. I’m striving for the single percent increase or improvement than I am getting to the end really trying. The hardest thing for me is enjoying the process and enjoying the journey. I have to remind myself that daily, that it’s not where you finish, it’s where you are.

That is probably the biggest piece of advice I would give, but also in the unbecoming process, it’s taking an audit. That’s always my first step is audit where you are in life. How does your story set you up for success now? How has it set you up? What foundation are you sitting on that’s like, “She’s a huge success because of this or he would be successful because he’s had this life.” If you can acknowledge what you’ve been through as that, all of that is greatness that’s gotten you to where you are now. As opposed to seeing it for what you would call failure or if only I had done these regrets whatever, then you’ll have such a much better indication of what your future could look like if you continue with that momentum moving forward.

As you’re reading, how would your life or your business be impacted by owning the story you have, whatever it is, at this given moment? That where you are is where you are and it’s enough, it’s more than enough and you are good enough, you’re great enough. What if you focused on the outcome of having a meaningful life? You’ve worked with 900,000 downloads, almost a million people have listened, followed through all your different resources, your podcast and all this stuff. Things change really fast nowadays, yet old is new and although things are changing, important things remain the same. As you’ve worked doing your work as well as working with your clients, what are one to three huge breakthroughs you either have experienced yourself or through your clients that would be great advice or wisdom for our audience to put in place for them?

I always look at people’s morning routine and that’s something I’ve toyed with so much. I feel that many people talk about it, but it never resonated with me. I crave variety. That is in my personality. I was always looking for the perfect morning routine to set myself up for the day. I have to wake up at 3:00 AM and then take a cold shower. I love hot showers so that did not work for me. What I did was I created almost a morning routine box filled with things that I could do. All I had to do was get three successes.

GTF 215 | Unbecoming

We build businesses as extensions of ourselves. If our business isn’t working, something in us is not working.


Yours is like the Cracker Jack box routine. Reach in and grab a new surprise every time.

That suits my personality. If you’re somebody who needs that rigid routine then awesome, stick with that. By the time I am up and ready to go, I want three wins under my belt before I turn on my computer, before I truly start my day. I always make my bed. That’s pretty much a given. I have a whole bunch of different things that I could do. I can sometimes take a cold shower if I want to, I can journal, I can go on a walk, I can meditate or I can read. I have a whole list of things on this big board by my bed. I want to be a winner when I start the day. I would always look at your morning routine.

The next thing is to audit where you are. Go through the different areas of your life and rate yourself without judgment as much as you can, where you feel you are on a scale of one to ten. The questions that I always ask, let’s say in relationships. If I myself a six, let’s say I asked, “What made it a six?” and then I’ll write it out. I also say, “What could make it a ten?” I’m trying to figure out what I value. For me, my top three values are learning, honesty and travel. Those are the things that I want to do or I want to incorporate into my day.

I always ask myself, “What would make this fun, easy and honest?” That was the lens through which I looked at different business opportunities. That I was looking at relationships with friends, with partners, that I was looking at my exercise routine. If you’re stuck in somewhere, figure out what your three top values are and then figure out what would make that fun, easy, and honest or whatever those are for you. Doing your taxes, it’s not going to always be fun, but maybe you have great music on while you’re doing it. Maybe you have a friend there. You’re having a glass of wine or whatever. Make it fun. People take life too seriously. Everyone takes their businesses too seriously. If we had a little more fun in our life and play to our strengths and play to our values, then everything falls into alignment with that.

If we had a little more fun in our life and played to our strengths and our values, then everything falls into alignment with that. - Phoebe Mroczek Click To Tweet

The last thing is to live while you’re alive. I do future meditations a lot. I’ll go and ask 80-year-old Phoebe what she thinks of this situation and she is so awesome. She has glasses and she’s fun. She’s lived this amazing life. When I think back to that, all of my problems feel petty and they feel so small and it puts things in perspective. Perspective is huge for me whenever I’m dealing with something that it almost feels I can’t figure my way out. I put it out in front of me and examine it. If this were my favorite movie, how would that end? What would I want her to do? Getting a little perspective by getting silent. Don’t take so much advice from everybody else because no one knows your life better than you do. Getting quiet, thinking about what you want, who you are, what you stand for, what you stand against. Asking yourself the tough questions and seeing what comes out.

I was in my 40s before I got close to that stuff. Here you are doing what you’re doing. It’s no wonder you’re having the impact that you are. We did some homework and such. You talk about chunking your days and you have this thing called the three Cs that I find fascinating that our viewers will find a lot of value from. Talk about that, chunking the days and the three Cs.

First of all, it’s worth saying that I experiment all the time. I take on monthly experiments and see what happens. This is my January experiment. One of my strong values is connection. Mondays and Fridays are all about connection. Tuesdays and Thursdays are about creation. Wednesday’s about coaching. On the weekends, it’s more about exploring, travel and fun. Fun and exploring and travel, all of that is mixed throughout my week. On the connection days, for example, Monday I met up with four different people at coffee shops. I’m new in town and I’m doing the things I want to do, which is connecting with people whether on Zoom, I’m reconnecting with friends, reconnecting with past clients. It’s not all about just personal. It’s personal work. My life is very integrated, which is great, which I love. The creation days are about creating podcasts or writing blog posts, writing for other people and expressing myself. That makes my Wednesday fun because I get to focus on the people that I love to serve and to help and to talk to, which are my clients.

As you’re reading, what if you followed Phoebe’s advice on structuring your day? Building good habits and setting yourself up and it’s like the Cracker Jack box. You have variety. You have an adventure every day. It doesn’t become this monotonous, boring routine that wears you out and drags on you, but it could be fun and adventurous. What would that be worth to you? What would it be worth if you put the three Cs and chunked your days into something like this? The connections, the creativity, your clients, how you show up and how you serve not only you serving others. There’s a theme that I’m hearing that I’d love to get your perspective on. It sounds like by serving yourself to a degree first, it allows you to serve others better. I might be making this story up as I’m hearing your interpretation of it, but speak to that and how that resonates with you.

The secret is figuring out what makes you tick is going to help you because I believe that we build businesses as extensions of ourselves. If our business isn’t working, something in us is not working. There are many parallels that we can draw. When I go into a business, you’re having problems with your business partner. Let’s talk about your marriage or let’s talk about your relationships in your life or your past or whatever. It’s those moments where we can pull out the goodness of how we show up in the world. When we look at how we’re serving others, our relationships can only go as deep as we’re willing to go with ourselves. If we haven’t been there, we can’t serve people to that level.

In the last couple of years, to answer your previous questions probably a little more effectively, I put myself first for once. I stopped worrying about everybody else and I put myself first and then it’s the oxygen mask. I put my oxygen mask on first. That’s such a great analogy. A lot of people have a hard time with that because they’re like, “I’m a servant leader and I want to help everybody else.” If you’re sick, you can’t. I used to always be like, “If I’m dead, I can’t help anybody.” That’s a morbid example, but it got the point across to me like, “I got to take care of myself.” I’ve got to make sure that by the time I open my computer every morning, I’ve set myself up to win now.

Regardless of what happens during the day, I know that at 9:00 AM, I’ve already killed my day. It’s already awesome. Having that natural positivity and the positive momentum moving forward is important. It makes for a more enjoyable experience. We know people that even sitting here with you I’m like, “I’m excited and enthused because I remember meeting you and you oozed this enthusiasm for life and for living. I admire that so much. It’s people like you that make me want to be better. You rub off on people and you never know the ripple effect of what you do or say or how you show up in the world. You don’t know how that affects people.” I know that I want to be my friend and I’m great. I’m good at what I do and how I show up and who I am. If you think that, then it doesn’t matter what anybody else thinks.

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Take time to audit the different areas of their life, no matter where you are and what stage of business life you’re in.


If you’re reading this now, own it. I’m curious, what were you known for in high school?

My superlative was the best personality. I was known in high school as the person who jumped from group to group. I wanted to make sure everyone was having a great time and felt included and I was the athlete.

What is something most people don’t know about you?

Probably how much I take other people into consideration when I make decisions. This is an honest answer. I have a hard time rejecting people’s offers or invitations in an honest, direct way. My focus is to be honest and direct.

What is something that you have struggled with and now looking back is easy for you to manage?

I would say body image and being different, if I’m being honest. That’s been something my whole life. I’ve always felt different from everybody else and I didn’t know what that was. I always prided myself on being a chameleon and then I realized I don’t want to blend in anymore. That’s not a good thing for me. I can be eating crabs with newspaper and all gross and grimy and all that. I can also dress up nice. Everything in between is all part of me. Accepting that I was different and embracing that has set me up to be successful and to feel that.

I have a thirteen-year-old daughter. She’s hitting her teenage years and heading towards high school and all those things. Related to this because I don’t know anybody that in some ways in dealing with image issues, identity issues, or accepting ourselves of being somewhat different or unique in our own way. What advice would you give to a parent, maybe a father, who is dealing with a daughter who likely is going through changes, is going to likely some ways deal with identity, image and accepting themselves? What advice would you give?

I could go on for an hour about this because this is such an important conversation whether you’re a dad, a mom or a step parent. The biggest thing from one of my love languages is quality time. Spend time getting to know your child and letting them lead. If you do a date night or you do these things, they will probably get fewer and fewer as they go into high school. However, making that time and appreciating the decisions that they’re making. I mentor teenage girls as a passion project because I wish that I had had somebody that wasn’t my parent that felt almost like a cool aunt to talk about the things I wanted to talk about. Self-esteem, what I was saying, social media and all these things. If I were a parent of a thirteen-year-old, what I want to instill in my child would be to be themselves, be confident and figure out who they are.

I would want them to know that I was taking an interest in who they were becoming or unbecoming as an adult, as a woman and in reinforcing their own confidence and your confidence in them. That you’ve got this and I trust you and I believe in you and you can do it. It’s going to be hard. You’re going to have some things that if I were the parent, I’d be like, “I’ve had some rough situations and here’s how I dealt with it. You’re going to make the decision you want to make. You’re going to get the grades that you’re going to get,” and that’s okay about perspective.

Loving on them and appreciating them for who they are and telling them all the time how much you love them and being proud of them. You can send them to me and I would love to talk to your daughter at any point about what it is to be a young girl growing up. I didn’t have social media and all the things that they have right now, but it feels hard and lonely. To speak to the loneliness factor of entrepreneurs as much as it is for teenagers. What they’re going through at the moment is this massive shift in what we can even understand. If they know that you’re always in their corner no matter and the door is always open, I feel that can mend a relationship, help strengthen and deepen a connection. That’s all humans want.

What action steps do you hope our audience takes from our time?

I hope that they take time to audit the different areas of their life, no matter where you are, what stage of business life. I would do it for both. The second thing is I would encourage people to look at their calendar and their bank account or their bank statement. See what they value, where they’re spending their time and money, and how could they put their time and money towards the things that they truly care about to create a more meaningful, fulfilling life and what would that look like? The third thing would be to sit down and journal and think. Carve some time out to think about what is it that you want? Once you figure that out, what habits will be in alignment with that? How can you implement and maybe even experiment? Every month implementing new things or experimenting with new things, new habits, new conversations, new channels or opportunities and seeing how that can eventually get you to where you want to go.

A deep connection is what all humans want. - Phoebe Mroczek Click To Tweet

Speaking of new channels or opportunities, I have to give you an opportunity to share how people can go deeper. If you’re intrigued by what Phoebe’s been sharing, I can’t imagine unless you’re not fogging up the mirror anymore when you put it under your nose. That you wouldn’t be inspired, you wouldn’t be compelled to want to go deeper with her, her message, a fulfilling life, having a life of meaning and a whole lot more. Phoebe, how can people reach you? Where can they get in touch? Where do you recommend they start to dig deeper into the stuff that you make available?

First of all, my podcast is called The Unbecoming and it’s It’s easy to find me. I am active on social media. Instagram is probably the easiest to get ahold of me, You can always send me an email at [email protected]. I am accessible and I like it to be that way because I want people to know that someone cares about what they’re doing, where they are, who they are. I am available and always welcome for requests or inquiries or wanting to have a conversation.

I want to encourage you if you’re inspired, you want to have a more meaningful life. You want to go deeper with some of the insights that Phoebe has shared with you. Go to her website. You can send her an email. You can find her on Instagram. What’s something I should have asked you that we didn’t cover?

Maybe the travel, the adventure stuff. I’m quite an adventurer. I like to tip my horn about that sometimes to inspire people to go out and do the fun things and the scary things and things that break them out of their shell and their comfort zone.

Get out of your comfort zone. Get out and travel. Go pull things out of the Cracker Jack box. Create your own Cracker Jack box. It’s your life. Be creative. Be adventurous and you can. Phoebe, it’s been a pleasure to have you with us. Thank you.

What you represent in my life is this guy of such stability and courage and how you express yourself is a pleasure and an honor to watch and witness as a friend and as a peer and colleague. Thank you for having me.

You’re welcome. She’s Phoebe Mroczek. Go check out what she’s doing. Take action on what she shared. Audit your life. Evaluate where you’re spending your time and your money by looking at your bank account and your calendar. Journal, take the time to identify who you are. What do you want? You’ve heard this message before. It’s what Growth To Freedom represents. She can help you. Go deeper with what she’s got. I encourage you to take action with what you’ve got now. Seize the day. Make it a great week. We’ll see you next time on

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About Phoebe Mroczek

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Phoebe Mroczek is a podcaster, coach and marketing strategist who helps online entrepreneurs create a profitable business that is an honest reflection of who they are and what they want most.

She is the host of the Unbecoming Podcast, a show that helps entrepreneurs release judgments, beliefs and past conditioning holding listeners back from living a more meaningful life.

Over the past few years, she’s built an online marketing business that helped established entrepreneurs refine their paid ad and launch strategies, created a podcast she co-hosted with 900K+ downloads and organized various in-person events, masterminds, and online communities.

Phoebe believes that while what we do in the world is important, we’re meant to do so much more in life than just work.

As a curious explorer and recovering perfectionist, she’s traveled to 64 countries on 6 continents, been cage diving with great white sharks, camped in the Serengeti and motorbiked across Europe.

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