George Wentz is the Co-founder and Managing Director of Make A Difference Ventures (MAD), a company that is on a mission to decentralize the global energy grid and bring clean, abundant, and affordable energy to the world. Founded by world-class energy experts, MAD brings funding and expertise to top energy technologies, investors, and companies.
In addition to his role at MAD, George is a Partner with Davillier Law Group and an Adjunct Professor at the University of Idaho College of Law. He has over 30 years of experience as an attorney, representing leading international oil and gas exploration and production companies. George has also helped alternative energy and high-tech companies bring their products to market and was previously appointed to the Federal Trade Commission’s Office of Policy Development by President Ronald Reagan.
Here’s a glimpse of what you’ll learn:
- George Wentz explains how his experience in the energy field inspired him to start Make A Difference Ventures (MAD)
- The biggest barriers to clean, affordable, and effective energy
- How MAD is working to fulfill Nikola Tesla’s vision for the world
- What would the future look like with MAD’s innovations around wireless electricity?
- The powerful movement behind MAD and how it’s opening up valuable opportunities for the public
- What sets MAD apart from other technology companies?
In this episode…
Do you want to be part of the solution for one of the world’s most pressing issues? Today’s business leaders have the power to change the world. So, how can you get in on the ground floor of a technology that is disrupting the energy field for the better?
With Make A Difference Ventures (MAD), George Wentz is on a mission to bring clean, affordable, and effective energy to the world. With this technology, he is fulfilling Nikola Tesla’s vision and eliminating fossil fuels. But, how will MAD achieve these goals when so many others — including Tesla himself — have failed? George says the key to success lies with the people. By bypassing traditional, outdated investment models and opening opportunities up to the public, MAD is making innovations that have never been seen before.
Join Dan Kuschell on this episode of Growth to Freedom as he interviews George Wentz, the Co-founder and Managing Director of Make A Difference Ventures (MAD), about his mission for clean and affordable energy. George shares the inspiration behind MAD, how its technology can change the world, and why it will succeed where others have failed. He also explains how you can get involved and start making a difference today.
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Dan Kuschell 0:03
Welcome to growthtofreedom.com, the show that brings you inspiration, transformation, and leadership. We’re helping you connect the dots, see the blind spots, and get unstuck. So you can go out and generate more leads, more sales, more profits. More importantly, so you can go out and have a bigger reach, a bigger impact and make a bigger contribution. Welcome to today’s segment today, we’re incredibly fortunate to be with one of the leading experts in energy and I have a question for you. How do you think the world would be transformed if you were we were in a place where we could get clean, abundant blue energy to the world? Could we solve hunger? Could we possibly even go deeper and solve the water crisis? What couldn’t we do? If we can all come together to solve a problem like this? Well, today’s guest is George Wentz. He’s an international business attorney who served under Ronald Reagan. He’s the founder of Make A Difference Ventures at MAD.energy. George, welcome to the show. It’s awesome to have you here.
George Wentz 1:09
Hey, man, thank you for having me. It’s great to meet you.
Dan Kuschell 1:13
I want to dive right into it. You know, cuz this is all about you and all about MAD, and why are you doing what you’re doing? George tell us that?
George Wentz 1:22
Well, there’s a few reasons. But the main, the main thing was that being in the energy field for like my entire life from 1983, as an attorney, and meeting some of the best experts, people that really know every aspect of energy, the grid the entire way it works, from soup to nuts, watching guys like John Kerry, and all these talking heads at Davos, say that they’re going to solve this problem for us. I’m like, No, you’re not, you’ve never produced an electron, you’ve never transmitted an electron, you have no clue what you’re talking about. Let the experts get together and solve the problem. So I kind of got tired when when I got into my 60s, I got tired of watching that. And I said, we’re going to we’re going to take a lifetime of knowledge, relationships, expertise, and we’re gonna solve this problem. And that was the genesis of MAD. We there’s there’s better practical ways to do it, that will really transform the world in such a positive way. And it’s not being done. I’ve been hearing about this ever since. Inconvenient Truth, you know, came out? Sure, yeah. But yeah, we’re still we’re still if you know, if you look at all the data, we’re going totally in the wrong direction. You know,
Dan Kuschell 2:32
so what do you see is the biggest problem, George? Well,
George Wentz 2:37
you know, I happen to think that a lot of this is due to governmental interventions that probably make no sense and should have never happened. I mean, I’m not sure why. You know, we still have these massive tax credits that go to oil and gas companies for things of that nature. I mean, you know, I’m a free market guy, you know, I was in the Reagan administration, I’ve been a free market guy all my entire life, I’ve been in the industry. And I’ve always felt that when the government intervenes and starts to impact the market in a way that they think would be good. It is mostly what the government does best is unintended consequences, right? That’s what they really excel at. And so when they intervene, the unintended consequence is that we artificially reduce the cost of petroleum products, and thereby we make that the mainstay of everything we’re doing. We’re seeing that right now with regard to solar and, you know, in wind, because Are they really effective? Are they really the best way to go? Well, they’re actually being built because the government is underlying, you know, subsidizing that. And I call that amount appropriation of resources. So I think that I think that, you know, probably good intentioned people trying to address the problem, but they don’t know what the heck they’re doing, has resulted in extending this and preventing some good things from happening the other. The other thing that is a problem, I think, is that once you get a status quo set up, where you have the major financial interests of the world, behind the status quo, then getting that Unleashed with dramatic change is usually very difficult. And one of the reasons that we have mad structured the way we do where we’re taking our equity, our equity token, we have tokenized our equity, so our equity means ownership in a company. And so our ownership in MAD is offered directly to the people online through a tokenized equity, right. So our units in MAD the ownership units are represented by a token, which is which is put out online. We’re bypassing Wall Street. We’re bypassing the people that are enforcing the status quo. And we’re creating disruption by going to the people and allowing them to be the leading edge of this paradigm shift that we’re in from fossil fuels to cleaner, better ways to do it.We're creating disruption by going to the people and allowing them to be the leading edge of this paradigm shift that we're in: from fossil fuels to cleaner, better ways to do it. - George Wentz Click To Tweet
Dan Kuschell 5:04
Amazing, I think you should get a bigger goal for the world’s energy now, I think I’ve heard you say, at times, George, that part of your vision is to help make fulfilling Nikola Tesla’s vision for the world. Possible. Talk about that a little bit?
George Wentz 5:24
Well, one of the, you know, one of the things that that he actually accomplished was the wireless delivery of electricity safely. And he got backing by JP Morgan Morgan. To do the experiment that he did it widened cliff, and he built a tower, he was actually pushing electricity. I think that he was on to to something known as that we now call the Zenyk wave, which is a Jonathan Zenyk postulated that there was an electromagnetic field that surrounded the entire earth. And he made that he did all the math for that, in the late 1800s. Well, that was picked up. And I’m pretty sure that Tesla was aware of this and Tesla, or Tesla just be in Tesla knew it, you know, because how know who knows what I’ll test the new one he knows, right? Was he really a human being? Or was he an alien that came to Earth? Who knows? Who can be that smart? Right? Exactly. But his his dream of wireless electricity, the delivery, the safe, global delivery of wireless electricity was picked up by a couple guys named the corn brothers. And they are brilliant. Electromagnetic folks, they know everything to do with with how the electromagnetic fields work. They’ve spent their lives in that. And they started working on this. And they were in the Pentagon for many years. And then when they retired from that they stood up a programme to realize Tesla’s dream, I’ve been lucky enough to know them for about five years now, working with them. And we are now with MAD coming in to, we’re creating the deal where we’re coming behind that technology to support it, and to help roll it out. And that’ll give you a little taste of what MAD is. And what MAD does. What MAD is, is a bunch of industry experts, legal financial in, you know, the industry itself, people who have bought and sold power delivered power, people who have balanced the grid, people who have entered into long term contracts for the supply of power, people who build and construct all of those elements, we gathered in MAD so that we can partner with people and and achieve the goal, have the cleanest possible energy production at the cheapest possible price in the most effective way to accelerate that whole programme with the vision that if we can do that, then we can prevent the government takeover of the industry sector. Because if we don’t lick this problem through free markets, then the Davos said, and we’ll, we’ll all be getting our energy from Klaus Schwab. And personally, I’m not sure I like that guy. So, you know, I don’t want that right. I want I want the people to be the solution to the problem, not not the elites, because I you know, whoever controls your energy, they control your life. It’s you, we don’t need that kind of control, we need greater freedom in the world. SoWhoever controls your energy, they control your life. We don't need that kind of control; we need greater freedom in the world. - George Wentz Click To Tweet
Dan Kuschell 8:36
isn’t that true? As you’re watching or listening right now? We need greater freedom in the world, don’t we? Right, 100%. And, you know, as you’re watching or listening right now, you might be wondering to yourself, well, then what does this have to do with business? It has everything. Right? When you can offer clean blue energy to the world and have control through the people through free market? How does that shift things? How does that transform power? How does that create opportunities for you, for me, for all of us now, George, give us a picture a snapshot of like, like, let’s say we fast forward a few years, right? And mad technologies are fully deployed for us. Like, what’s that? What’s that look like?
George Wentz 9:26
Well, I gotta tell you, the suite of tech that we’ve put together at MAD that we’re deploying. Here’s, here’s, here’s where I’ll be, you know, 858 years from now, right? I’ll probably be it on some beautiful hill overlooking a VISTA out in the middle of nowhere. There will be no roads to my home because I won’t need roads. There will be no electrical wires to my home because I won’t need electrical wires because I will be receiving Wireless Electricity clean wireless electricity created through geothermal power plants, which are carbon free, and that would allow us to live wherever we wanted to live, I can be picked up in an autonomous quadcopter. Why? Because there’s no batteries in that quadcopter that are weighing it down and preventing it from effectively delivering a payload of humans. Because it is getting real time wireless delivery fed directly into the the motors that are running that the electric motors that are running the quadcopter, how’s it being controlled, it’s being controlled through. If you look at our website, we have a attack we’re rolling out called Golden Cypher, which is industrial controls. It’s the next advanced wave, a total re architecture of computing technology, which is so efficient and so revolutionary in its design, that it virtually eliminates all latency, what holds back autonomous vehicles, it’s latency. If if after I tell my autonomous vehicle to stop, there’s a three second delay, and you’re in an autonomous vehicle, and it’s told to stop and there’s a three second delay, there’s six seconds for us to hit each other. Race is not a good thing, right. So latency is the enemy of autonomous vehicles. But the same wave that delivers Wireless Electricity delivers data, it allows a global form of Wi Fi, essentially, and data delivery in real time. And with this advanced architecture for computing, then we have almost no latency, a much more effective, much more efficient use of that data. And therefore we can control these vehicles. So if I’m on a hill, oh, in the West, overlooking where no one can live now, because you don’t have the infrastructure to get there. I can build it because I can deliver all the materials there the same way right through the air. I mean, once I get there, I can power all the electricity I need, because I can just get it from my receiver. So this gives me the freedom to live wherever I want to live, do what I want to do it think about how that changes. What are we going to short? Right as business people, right? What would we short? Would we short rubber tires? Well, if we’re finding quadcopters, maybe we will, would we go long on copper? Yeah, we probably would, because there’s going to be a lot more electric motors right? In that vision. So that’s where we’re heading, I’m going to get that done in my lifetime. I am. I love that vision. And that’s why the youngsters around here that are so pumped up about MAD. My nickname is George Jetson because I’m always talking about these quadcopters, you know, but that is that that is an achievable vision, given the technology that we are backing, and the programme that we are putting together, that’s where our world is going to go. There’s already quadcopters buzzing around Dubai, but they can only do it for about 20 minutes, because they the battery packs won’t allow them to go any further than that. And they can only carry one person because the batteries weigh so much. So having wireless delivery of electricity, real time to those vehicles changes absolutely everything.
Dan Kuschell 13:15
And as you’re watching or listening right now, think about that powerful idea, wireless electricity. You know, it wasn’t that long ago, that people thought having wireless phones was completely narcissistic, was completely out of the realm that it was futuristic Star Trek, like, hundreds of years away. And now look at how it’s changed the world. And if that changed the world, how would clean wireless electricity, change your world? change our world? Right? And it’s closer than you think now I’m curious joy, it’s
George Wentz 13:53
here. I mean, it’s here. Yeah, there’s a tower, there’s a tower in Texas from which electricity has been transmitted wirelessly. And on a test basis is actually hugging the curve of the earth through a wave through this authentic way that I’m discussing. So and I have seen, you know, to that to 200 yards from the from the transmission source, wireless delivery, wireless delivery of electricity to pumps to battery chargers to things of this nature. I mean, I’ve seen it happen. So we have that tech is real. And that tech is going to be deployed. I mean, we’re going to deploy that tech. There’s, there’s more to do. It’s not perfected yet we’ve got to commercialize it. But proof of concept, proof of concept baby it’s there, it’s gonna happen. You’re gonna see it. I mean, this is not pie in the pie in the sky stuff.
Dan Kuschell 14:50
Amazing. And now George, I’m curious, you know, you’ve created an entire movement. You talked about tokenized in it, you know, for people to be able to get into So talk about the movement behind mad, and how essentially, you know, if you’re new or listening, and maybe you haven’t heard the words token yet, you know, it’s coming, you know, it’s becoming more of a groundswell, you’re gonna start hearing it more and more over the next few years, through all kinds of opportunities, speak about the movement behind MAD, and how, essentially anyone can invest.
George Wentz 15:23
Right? You know, being in being an attorney, in the infrastructure, business and international business, I have seen the way things work. And during the course of my lifetime, in that mill you, I have seen that the laws created greater and greater stratification of our society. Because up until 2016, it was the law that you could not advertise an offering of, of securities, stock ownership in a company, to a person that was not already a millionaire, they had to be a millionaire, in order to be eligible to get in on the ground floor of a company that was known as an accredited investor. Once again, here’s the government intervening in the market. And, you know, the justification was that, well, we want to protect the poor people. Yeah, but what’s the unintended consequence, while we make more poor people, because unless you’re already wealthy, you can’t get wealthy. So you know, the other thing that was crazy about it was that you couldn’t solicit, you couldn’t actually advertise. So the only way that you could, if you were starting a company, the only way that you could get people on board to invest in back it and be excited about it was you would go to rich country clubs, where people were all millionaires. So you’ve got this, you’ve got all accredited investors, because they’re all out there playing golf, you know, and you sit at the bar afterwards, he said, you know, and the guy says, oh, you know, you start up a conversation. What are you doing? Oh, I’m starting a new company, because now I can tell him because he asked me I’m not soliciting, unless he asked me it’s illegal, right? What that did is that made that meant that the guys that are hanging out in the golf clubs, they’re getting all the money, because they’re getting them on ground floor of all the good ideas. And so the rich are getting richer, and the middle class is getting decimated. And then when when when, you know, Clinton led China into the WTO, the World Trade Organisation, all of a sudden, we had this massive shift of manufacturing from the United States to China. So that just made it worse, right. And what we see in the United States now is we see guys like basis, and guys like Bill Gates, and guys like Elon Musk, I’m not anti musk, actually, I think Musk is kind of cool. But the other the other guys I’m not wild about, but I will tell you that. What I don’t like is that we have people that have hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars now. And then we’ve got a whole lot of people at the bottom that are just struggling every day to put gas in their car and feed their kids and buy them clothes and shoes pay the bills. That’s not a good structure. That’s not the structure I grew up with. So not only am I concerned that Wall Street, because they’re so heavily invested in the status quo will not finance the programmes that we’re working on, which are revolutionary, and change everything someone’s ox gets gored every time you disrupt the status quo. Sure, in this instance, people heavily invested in the petroleum industry are going to get gored. Well, we bypass that, we bypass that. And we take it directly to the people because the Jobs Act of 2016 did two things. It allowed solicitation for the first time. And it also created a something called reg A, and something called reg CF to allow us to go to the public. And people that are not accredited, and allow them to get in on the ground floor of the next big thing and allow the wealth to go back to the common person. And so one of the things growing up in Baltimore is, you know, a blue collar family, we build bridges. We were not sophisticated folks, we just were hard working blue collar guys, that needs to be rebuilt. So part of the effort, that here at Mad part of the reason that we’ve structured it, the way that we have is to allow the wealth that would go to Wall Street, if we did this the old fashioned way to go to the public and globally go to the global public. This isn’t just a problem in the United States, this stratification of wealth. It’s a problem in Mexico. It’s a problem in Asia. It’s a problem everywhere you go and it’s getting worse. And it’s not a problem that that is I mean, it’s not a problem that is going to be good for the world. It’s going to create strife. So rebuild The middle class is something that we got to do. And I crypto has done it to a large degree. I mean, I love what the impact of crypto, but we are there trying to try and allow this paradigm shift and the wealth created through this paradigm shift from fossil fuels to that to the clean energy future, there’s going to be a tremendous amount of money made. And we’re at the tip of that spear and we’re offering it to the normal people. And that’s, that’s why we’ve structured it that way. And when we say we’ve tokenized it, the reason that we’ve tokenized it is because it’s easy to issue. You’re you’re a businessman, so you know, the impact of transaction costs. Oh, yeah. Eliminate friction. Yeah. So if I’m, if I’m onboarding someone the old fashioned way, with attorneys and all kinds of paperwork and stuff like that, then my the barrier to entry is very high, because I got to pay for all that, that transaction of bringing somebody in could cost me $5,000. So I’m only going to bring in people that are going to put in 150 $250,000. Under those circumstances, it wouldn’t make sense. But if I can automate it through the platform that we have built underlying mad dot energy, mad dot energy has the onboarding process for what we call the retail aspect of this, where normal people who are not accredited investors can buy in, and then they will be issued a token. And that token represents their ownership, it reduces the transaction costs, and allows us to reduce the CF raise down to $500 is the minimum I mean, 500 bucks. So this is really, we want to get participation of the people to be the Prop to be the solver, you know, that the solution to the problem. We don’t want Musk to solve this problem and get more hundreds of billions of dollars, he’s already got it, you know, let other people that other people get involved. So when we talk about our movement, the Mad movement, the Mad community, it’s allowed, it’s creating a vehicle. So normal people can get involved in solving one of the most pressing problems that our world faces. AndWhen we talk about our movement — the MAD movement, the MAD community — it's creating a vehicle so normal people can get involved in solving one of the most pressing problems that our world faces. - George Wentz Click To Tweet
Dan Kuschell 22:15
as you’re watching or listening right now, have you ever heard the idea that if you solve a big problem, you can have the ability to build wealth, to build a business, big payday, etc? Where, what would happen for you? What would happen for all of us, by creating a new paradigm related to shifting from fossil fuels? Right, to clean energy, and separate of that, if that weren’t enough, have the ability to be part of it? On a ground floor level? Right now, George, I’m curious. I mean, all of this is just, I mean, so fascinating. Overall, how can people learn more about you, the company, where can they go to get, you know, information of like, you know, one investing, right, and to, you know, kind of seeing that on unfolding, if you will, of this new paradigm of energy.
George Wentz 23:16
Really, the the website is just mad.energy. We have everything there. We’ve spent a lot of time and effort and money integrating securities law, with the technology for onboarding people online. You know, the, the revolution of the virtual world. One of the things I started this in 2019. And one of the things that was tickling me, in the back of my brain was all the money that the Kardashian family had amassed, you know, by and all just on Twitter, or whatever it was, and virtually, I mean, and they weren’t really offering the public, much other than, you know, an interesting family to look at, you know, and we felt that if we could if we could take advantage of these new securities laws that I’ve described to you, that allows us to solicit and allows us to go out to the general public through the internet that we would then be able to get people excited about problem solving, get people excited about addressing all the things that we’re concerned about here at mad you know, we want to leave our so so we built this website, and it’s pretty complete we have a lot of video is video rich. So you can go to mad.energy. It’s very simple mad.energy. And you’ll see on there you’ll see videos, you’ll see descriptions, you’ll see a what we call a green paper. A lot of people write white papers, we wrote a green one. And it lays out the battle plan of how we do this, you know, I brought together really a team of the world’s experts, and we set about saying, Okay, how can we do this whole thing better? And as we do it, how can we get the world engaged? aged people engaged. Because, honestly, the trouble with energy is the government wants to control it. And massive financial institutions want to control it. And we’re fighting against that. And so we have to go to the people, we have to have a movement of the people behind mad to get this to work. And then we bypass the government, we bypass Wall Street, we disrupt the status quo, we save the planet. We rebuild the middle class, we make people wealthy. This is what we’re all about.
Dan Kuschell 25:41
So as you’re watching or listening right now, I encourage you to go to mad.energy.com.
George Wentz 25:49
mad.energy. There’s no .com Oh, yeah, that’s just
Dan Kuschell 25:52
Being in the flow of you always say calm. So yes, mad.energy. That’s mad.energy. Go check out what George is doing. Check out what mad energy is all about Mad ventures. Watch the unfolding? And like, how would you like to participate in solving one of the biggest problems in the world today? And having the ability to be a part of it? Right, you can learn more about how to do that at mad.energy. Go there right now. Now GA as we wrap this up? Number one, what’s something I should have asked you today that we hadn’t covered yet?
George Wentz 26:29
Oh, that’s an interesting question. A lot of times people ask, and I think this is a valid question is, you know, a lot of people start things up, and a lot of people, you know, try to unleash new technology and they fail. And the truth is that the vast majority of tech that has attempted to be rolled out does fail. So the question I usually get is, why do you think you can do this when Tesla couldn’t do it? Why do you think you can do it when other people have failed at doing it? And one of the one of the answers is that we have, we have a different approach. Tesla was put out because put under because he had one investor JP Morgan. And he had and JP Morgan was co invested in copper mines. And when he was looking at no wires, he was looking at no need for my copper. Now, I think he was probably wrong. Because electric motors or heavy, heavy copper and wireless energy would have in the long run, made JP Morgan wealthier, because there would have been so many electric motors built with his copper, I think he blew that analysis. But, you know, being the kind of slapdash cutthroat guy that he was, he just, he just shut it down. That’s why we’re going to the people, we’re bypassing Wall Street. And as we decentralize our investment base throughout the world, then no one no one investor can just come in and shut us down. So that’s one reason why I think we’ll succeed where others have failed. The other is that through the grace of God, we we won a contract early on, to provide clean energy to a series of really super high tech data centers that are being rolled out internationally and nationally. So over the course of time, there will be 16 data centers built. And these are very big data centers that need a lot of power. And clean power for data centers is really essential for the, you know, the entire world really. And so we bid on that, and we won that contract, and we now have a built in customer base for our tech as we roll it out. So we are now deploying our technology in the first of those data centers. And it’s a big deal to have your customer already there. I mean, we can build I mean, it’ll take us 10 years to fulfill that one contract. Because there’s 16 data centers it’s it’s it’s a it’s a it’s a massive bonus. And it reduces market risk for the implementation of our technology because we have a built in customer already and we’re just so I can’t believe that happened. I mean, I’m just so tickled you know?
Dan Kuschell 29:12
Absolutely. And again if you want to learn more about what George and the company are doing you can go to mad.energy, that’s mad.energy to learn more. Now George what are 1 to 3 action steps you would hope our viewers our listeners would take from our our time together today.
George Wentz 29:31
Well, I hope they would just come and take a look at what we’re doing get to know us take a look at the videos that we have up we have you know a YouTube channel where we have a bunch of interviews and things you know that we have done, where we have those posted so that they can get to know who we are what we’re about what our goals are. And I would I would like to I would like to have them come visit us and if they want to support the movement get involved. Hit that invest now button find out how you can come in I mean, you know barrier to entry is only $500 on the CF raise. So that’s not a big deal for a lot of folks. And, you know, we believe in our hearts that that would be a great investment for people to make. You know, we can’t guarantee anything, of course, but we’ve been very careful in the way we’ve structured it. So we’d love to have people take a closer look and get involved. And that would be the action items I would have them do.
Dan Kuschell 30:24
So I encourage you to go to mad.energy, that’s mad.energy, learn more, you can go to their YouTube connection, check out all the different resources they’ve got available, and why not dip your toe in the water? Because think about it. How will the world not when or if, but how will the world be changed? When we’re able to pivot energy and open up free market, when we can have energy available to all of us clean, renewable, and inexpensive, if not almost free? And again, if you’re thinking, Well, I’m not sure I even understand this. Just think about this technology in my hand right now, the cell phone, right? When I first got my first cell phone about 30 Some years ago. First of all, it was the size of a brick, and it came in a case and I was paying like $5 a minute, if I remember, maybe it was a little less. And for a lot of people it was out of their market. And slowly but surely technology change and the market got deregulated. And guess what happened? Now all of us have the ability to have this little piece of technology in our pocket. The same thing is already happened in energy. You have the ability to be a part of something to solve the problem and or ride the wave. That choice is yours. George, thanks so much for being with us today. I encourage you go check out mad.energy right now. mad.energy. Take action with what George has been sharing with you. Now is your opportunity. Seize the day, make it a great week. Thanks for listening to this episode of growthtofreedom.com. Are you struggling to get a steady flow of new clients every day? Or maybe hit a plateau or hit a wall and growing your business? Let’s help you solve this problem today. Let’s review your business and have a conversation. Do that for free today at breakthroughstrategycall.com. That’s breakthroughstrategycall.com. In addition, if you’re looking for a simple way to implement some of what we’ve been talking about in today’s episode, I want to encourage you to get our free Small Business toolkit. You get that at activate.breakthrough3x.com, that’s activate.breakthrough3x.com. If you’d like access to the special resources and all the show notes for this special episode. Make sure to visit growthtofreedom.com.