How to Turn Writing Into a Career, Minimize Failure In Business, And Write Copy That Sells, with Ben Settle [PODCAST 47]

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How to turn writing into a career, minimize failure in business, and write copy that sells, with Ben Settle [PODCAST 47]


If you could turn your writing into a career, even if you didn’t consider yourself a good writer… and even if you are average at grammar… would you want to know how to do it?


Today’s guest, Ben Settle, is a master at increasing sales conversions for himself and other businesses. He’s a professional copywriter who’s learned from the best in the business how to research a market, write to that market’s specific pain points, and generate sales well above the industry norm. He’s convinced that he’s nothing special and that any entrepreneur can learn the skills to write to create more business, make more sales, and boost profits.

In this conversation he shares many tips and strategies to get into the minds and hearts of your prospects so that you know how to write to their real needs.

He also shares his 5-step copywriting formula that he gleaned from researching the work of greats in the copywriting industry like Gary Halbert, Eugene Schwartz, David Ogilvie, Ken McCarthy, and many others. Ben’s boiled down everything he’s learned into simple, proven strategies that he believes anyone can learn. Effective writing (copywriting) is not about the product, and not about the price. It’s about knowing your target market. He’s convinced that if you know your market well, you can sell them every time, and he’s going to walk you through some of the strategies to do just that…


Here’s a glimpse of what you’ll learn in this show:

  • [0:32] Introduction of today’s guest: Ben Settle.
  • [2:54] What Ben learned from Gary Halbert.
  • [7:20] Ben’s 5 step formula for writing copy.
  • [9:27] What IS copywriting?
  • [13:10] Ben’s concentration on the marketplace he’s working in (his 17 page questionnaire).
  • [18:02] The three types of business people.
  • [19:20] How to get into the subconscious mind of your prospects.
  • [20:00] A story from Eugene Swartz about effectively knowing your market.
  • [21:46] Ways Ben gets people to open up about their problems.
  • [23:09] Why Ben is not big on “hard selling.”
  • [24:46] How to connect with Ben Settle.
  • [25:40] Ben’s contrarian belief about “Moving the Free line.”
  • [27:26] Why Ben was compelled to go into writing in the first place.
  • [28:05] Rituals Ben recommends to become a better writing.
  • [28:58] How writing Gary Halbert’s letters by hand helped Ben.
  • [30:13] Why writing trumps typing when you’re learning to write copy.
  • [31:01] The people Ben has learned from.
  • [32:30 Ben’s biggest career mistake and what he learned from it.
  • [34:30] Ben’s lowest point and what he did to get out of it.


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